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2006.09.20

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drunken monkey

Her comment about the garbage truck maintenance worker suggests that she doesn't understand that tradespeople are paid more because there aren't enough of them, so their skills are in high demand, unlike writers; it doesn't do a lot to convince me that I should spend time with a book that focuses on money and how we spend it, when that simple fact of economics (supply/demand) seems beyond her, frankly.

I think that part of the no-shopping movement -- and the many food-related movements -- comes from an entitled position. It's easier to say "I'll only eat organic" when you can afford the extra cost of organic products. And it's easier to say "I won't buy anything for a year" when you already have plenty of things, don't particularly need anything and have a group of friends who are also well-equipped and will lend you what you may lack.

What you wrote about your lean years in your 20s was particularly resonate for me. I wasn't flush with cash as a student, but I was in dire financial straights when I finished school, and I was surprised by how much I felt that reflected on my sense of worth. I felt like if I couldn't keep up with what was current -- clothes, music, books -- then it would soon be obvious to everyone that I was not with the times, and I'd be left behind. That's worth examining -- how what we buy signifies who we are to others, and what happens when that signal is halted -- and it's too bad that it sounds like this book didn't examine it in any sort of meaningful way. I mean, I can't even believe that she didn't spend more time on consumption's political effects. It seems, to me, that in a capitalist society, your weight as a consumer if some of the heaviest pull you have as a citizen.

Jecca

Your description of the isolation caused by lack of money hit home for me, too. I remember the times, following my divorce, when I met friends at restaurants and lied about having already eaten because I didn't have the money for a meal out. (I wasn't going hungry -- just waiting till I got home to have eggs or noodles or whatever.) I found being on a very strict budget isolating because almost all social activity involved spending money: restaurants, coffee shops, clubs, movies, shopping, and even thrift shopping with the hipsters.

It seems as though a big problem lies in her definition of the word "need." Did she define it at all? Give herself any quantifiable paramaters? I was flabbergasted to read that she decried McMansions and gentrification while adding on to one of two homes that she owns. Wow. I wonder if her editor pointed out the problem, but she refused to change those passages.

And I think that in order to read that book you long for, Lisa, you're going to have to write it yourself. You're off to a good start!

marion

So what you're saying is that this book was less insightful and thought-provoking than that "Friends" episode in which Phoebe, Rachel and Joey deal with the ramifications of the fact that Ross, Monica and Chandler don't understand what it's like to be poor in the city? Good to know. Thanks for the lengthy analysis!

Lisa

And with one comment, Marion reminds me why I am not a book reviewer ...

Ex-Monkey Ben

Geisler: Look, you confused? You need guidance? Talk to another writer.
Barton: Who?
Geisler: Jesus, throw a rock in here, you'll hit one. And do me a favor, Fink: throw it hard.

marion

Ack! That wasn't meant to be a slam at you, but at the book's author. Sorry if that was unclear. I was being quite sincere in my thanks for the lengthy analysis - I had wondered if this book were worth reading, but you isolated the few interesting bits and otherwise showed me why it is not. Just as Mickey Kaus has the SeriesSkipper(TM), I think I'm going to dub this your BookSkipper(TM) feature. Much appreciated.

molly aka Space Monkey

OMG, your memory of grad. school made me almost start to cry. There is nothing like grad. school poverty. After my divorce in grad. school, I had no money and couldn't really buy much food. I remember looking at the canned food drive boxes on campus and wondering if I could grab a can of food and eliminate "the middle man" of free food distribution. (I ended up not taking any).

Loved this book review. People like Levine anger me because they are so totally out of touch. It is a shame that her book is solipsistic. It surprises me that so many people have raved about this book! Eeek, I am now suspicious of their opinion.

I am also beginning to feel much of the consumer activism is, at the core, hollow. (...like deep down we are all shallow - kind of thing) It seems like such an elitist and lazy way of supporting a cause and promoting change.

And finally, I still think Chuck Palahniuk did the best consumer story, even though it is fiction.

Teleri

I read this when I came across my desk for cataloging a few months ago. It infuriated me, mainly because of the self-righteousness of Levine.

As I get older, I have become increasingly less tolerant of those in our society that like to flail about and say this thing (non-organic food, excessive consumption, too much tv, whatever) is the root of all problems and because we are wealthy and white we can cut this thing out of our lives and be better people. Then sit with their $7 bowls of organic rice and sneer at the family of four who eats at MickyD's cause they have 5 BigMacs on special for $5 without ever considering that for some people there is *no* choice for not shopping at Walmart or eating organic or whatever. Not because these poor schlubs what to, but because there is no other option.

Thanks for a good review and suffering through it. If I'd read your review before, I wouldn't have bothered reading and probably would have saved myself some fury.

Lisa

marion, thanks for clearing that up! I initially read it as "So, you think I could work on the brevity thing? Fair point, well taken." I appreciate your follow-up post.

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Teleri, you make a really good point. I remember when I was reading Gregg Easterbrook's "The Progress Paradox" a few years ago, he had an observation on how ridiculous it was that the stuff that's good for you, food-wise, is often the least economically accessible. And in this book, as Levine talks about her FOUR DOLLAR GLASS BOTTLE OF MILK, there was no awareness whatsoever that the ability to affirm your values via spending is an incredible luxury.

Kip

I have grown to hate this whole genre of journalist-trying-on-lifestyle books. The authors don't seem to mind cutting themselves enormous slack (zB, the car Barbara Ehrenreich allowed herself while playing at being a minimum-wage employee in Nickel & Dimed; Levine's house remodel in NBI). As a reader, I just can't take them seriously -- their biases are so blatant that they read like 19th century diaries of noblemen among the savages.

Books written by people who actually live/d the life are more interesting to me. Ten Thousand Working Days by Robert Schrank is a great example -- the book was written by a guy who spent 40 years working in various blue- and white-collar jobs and then became an industrial psychologist. Genuine experience, genuine insight, and (maybe due to his sociology training?) an awareness of his own biases. I highly recommend it as a counterpoint to Nickel and Dimed specifically, and to this sort of reporting in general.

And Lisa, in the words of Toni Morrison: If there is a book you really want to read but it hasn’t been written yet, then you must write it. I look forward to it!

amanda

Great follow-up to your earlier post on this book. I'm glad you read it so that I don't have to. Your fabulous commentators (a lot of monkeys!) have some great insights, too. I'll have to check out that Schrank book.

marion

You think I want you to write LESS? Good lord, woman, I'm sitting here watching the season premiere of "CSI" thinking, "If only I could get a classic sobell TWoP recap of this episode..." I agree with Kip - if all of these nitwits can get published, then where's your book? :) (And no, I am not calling you a nitwit. Quite the opposite.)

alice

"There is nothing like grad. school poverty."

Unless it's actual poverty. Think it is time to call a halt to the idea that because we had to eat ramen in college we understand being poor. We don't. We had medical care through universities, had even a ratty car, had a place to live, family to bail us out if necessary, and a light at the end of the tunnel. Can we all stop saying how poor we were while shelling out thousands for school? (Sorry, it's a personal peeve.)

Excellent review. Thanks much.

Lisa

Alice, your point is well-taken about confusing a few years of ramen with genuine, sustained economic deprivation.

Just to expand on the grad school poverty thing for a little bit:

Without getting into too many details ... I was financially autonomous for the period I was talking about, and although there was that graduation light at the end of the tunnel, if there's ever a time when the phrase "it takes money to make money" is apt, that's it -- hard to interview for jobs when you can't afford a suit, or travel to an interview, or photocopies of the resume. And relocating for a job is pretty daunting when you can't scrape together the $$ for the necessary rental deposit.

There is a sort of shabby-genteel poverty in grad school, but there were also those students who were genuinely on their own. One of the dirty little secrets of higher education is that the degree isn't enough: you still need a little stake to get you started afterward, and unless a kid figures that out early, they're going to be at a disadvantage to the kid whose parents dropped a $10,000 check for graduation.

The way I lived for a few years after grad school -- in debt, cash-poor, no insurance, and often selling belongings to swing groceries when my paychecks had gone to student loan payments and rent -- to be honest, it didn't feel much different from grad school poverty. If anything, I actually felt more of a sense of control, because at least I wasn't beholden to some job for a set period of time and a specific set of hoops to jump through.

However, that's just my experience. And I recognize that I was very lucky in a lot of ways: I had no serious health problems, so I could take on extra work when I needed to generate cash for unanticipated expenses; I was living like this because I thought it would position me better job- and money-wise over the long run; and I did have a loving family who offered a lot of emotional and logistical support and no complications. Had I not had those factors, those years would have been a lot worse.

I probably should have mentioned up above that there's a difference between the kind of poor I was and the kind of poor that's damn near impossible to get out of. You know how we've got a vocabulary for dealing with the different gradations of people who have money? ("Affluent" "Comfortable" "New rich" "Old money") I think I need to work on the vocabulary for delineating the different types of not having it.

alice

Thanks for your response, Lisa. I was reacting more to tales of woe I've heard from others than from your experience.

Mea kinda (sorta), as J. Stewart says.

Really enjoy your writing.

drunken monkey

I'll second both Lisa and alice's comments -- being poor while working to put yourself in the top ten percent in your country for education level is a totally different thing than living under the poverty line. That said, I worked and took on massive debt to get myself through school, and my post-grad-school poverty has screwed my credit for years to come.

I lived under the poverty line as a teenager, in a poor area, then went to a university renown for its rich students, so I totally understand your peeve, alice. My head nearly exploded one day when a classmate said, in seriousness "Well, poor students and rich students can be friends. My best friend drives a Jetta and I drive a Honda, and we still hang out."

Deborah

"Would that I could read a book that astutely examined that personal relationship and explained it within a well-researched larger social context."

Would that you would write it, Lisa. It occurs to me that while I truly enjoy all your writing, I find your pieces on this subject among your most compelling and thoughtful. Please seriously consider tackling this subject in book form.

Jane

Beautifully put....and Marion, ditto the CSI observation!

I have also gone through the soul-sucking experience of not having enough money. Perhaps money does not buy happiness, but the lack of sure makes one miserable.

Being without basic resources has so many reprecussions - many of which have been articulately outlined in these comments. I feel that I am a frugal person, so not having enough money to take advantage of basics and essentials when these items were on sale was incredibly frustrating - almost demeaning.

For all my working life, I have worked with people who are truly poor. They struggle against enormous odds and are constantly criticized by the Levines of the world.

Ms. Levine has no business being allowed out of the house without adult supervision.

Loisarah

I've been following the comments on this page, and I see so many of the points here.

I've had a lot of money problems in the last 5 or so years, and while I can't say I've been ramen every night broke, I've been very broke. I had to give up my piece of crap car and started walking. I get asked if I had a DUI or something. Teenagers like to yell stuff out of car windows at me as I walk on the side of the road. I can't understand what they're saying, as the car passes before they finish, but whatever. I assume it's not flattering. I find myself humiliated when I really shouldn't be. I don't mind when I think that it's good for the enviroment to walk, I'm being more eco friendly. Just because i can't afford a car doesn't make me a joke... right?

::sigh:: I work in retail, and sometimes it is so hard to listen to the "sell, sell, sell!" mantra when I think that I struggle, and not everyone has money, and you know when someone is living on credit. Our store kind of stradles more of a working class and upper class area of town, and the difference can be nauseating. "What, you don't have cable? I'm soooo sorrry!" (said with sincerity, like the fact that I don't get to watch Project Runway is a tradgedy.)

I am so tired of feeling isolated because I don't have cable, shop at the Goodwill for clothing, and don't go to the movie theater every Friday night. I think a lot of people I run into have skewed ideas of what is a necessity. And I don't mean to sound like an elitist snob, this hardly refers to even half of the people I know or have run across, but just from some of my chit-chatting with my customers, I get a little bothered with how much of a necssity cable is, or that huge SUV is because you have A kid, buying organic, having perfectly manicured nails all the time, the cell phone with a new ring tone a week...

I totally agree that some people don't get how much of a luxury it is to be able to buy only organic, or eat fresh produce daily, or whatever your issue is. There are a lot of people who live on under $15,000 a year. ARe you gonna buy the $4 a bottle milk, or the 1.99 a gallon milk? The 1.99/lb of carrots or the 3.99/lb organic carrots?

jrochest

I'll add my thanks: I'm still going to take this out of the library, but now I know what to expect.

The grad school poverty thing rang bells for me, too: I was in my 30s, so while I could call my folks if I needed something like a root canal, and I lived in a city with a good, solid public transit system, it was still dire. I knew, and we all do, I think, that I was comparatively rich -- healthy and young, always able to stop if I needed, and doing it with a goal in mind. But Jeez, 800.00 a month in Toronto was NOT fun: goodwill is the big, gosh I-can't-afford-this splurge, and you know what day the discount veggies are best at the local markets. Worse still, you drive the credit card up with the conferences and seminars you need to make the education work, and then frantically scrabble to make the payments.

My moment of uncontrollable sobbing (curled up on the floor of my hallway, clutching a bewildered cat) came when I realized that the windfall I'd just gotten was going to be seamlessly absorbed by the hydro bill and the phone, with not a penny for, well, joy. Dinner out. A new coat. A movie. A night in the pub. A date where you don't have to limit your gainfully employed boyfriend to what *you* can afford (free, or less than 5.00).

I had friends who were single parents, and others who were foreign students, much worse off than I. But there are times when wearing yet another Goodwill coat until the lining tears is more than you can take.

The first year of my real, post-PhD, post-sessional-instructor job, I spent 12,000 dollars on clothes; I have 47 pairs of shoes, partly because I wore the same pair of christmas present Franco Sartos to every interview, conference and class for 5 years.

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