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2005.03.15

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MargaretWV

Here's the text of a talk rebutting the claim that George Washington was an evangelical Christian:

http://chnm.gmu.edu/courses/henriques/hist615/gwandreligion.htm

The rewriting of history by the Religious Right is very scary in this instance -- they just straight-out lie about old George!

Jecca

Did you ever know that you're my heeeero
and everything I woo-hould like to beeee?

Erica

And I'm off to send this to just about every single person that I know.

Awesome, amazing, what Jecca said.

Becky

That's brilliant.

May I ask where the Thomas Jefferson quotes are from?

Lisa

The second TJ quote is easy -- it's in his own autobiography. The first one I got from this site, which cites:

"The writings of Thomas Jefferson exist in 25 volumes. The references for this article were found in the book, SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS, by John E. Remsburg (who interviewed many of Lincoln's associates). Much of his work on Jefferson came from THE MEMOIRS, CORRESPONDENCE AND MISCELLANIES FROM THE PAPERS OF THOMAS JEFFERSON, 4 volumes ed. by Thomas Jefferson Randolph (the grandson of Thomas Jefferson)."

Another site that has a boatload of EXCELLENT Jefferson quotes is this one, as it's collected several letters in which Jefferson attempts to reconcile the use of reason and observation with Biblical assertions, and in which he repeatedly stresses his conviction that religion is not the same thing as faith, nor is religion a substitute for civil government. His letter to the Danbury Baptist Association lays it out pretty well:

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between church and State.

If it's not obvious, I adore TJ -- his voracious intellect and his diligent attempts to apply his natural inclinations toward bettering the world are things I strive, poorly, to cultivate in my own life.

Kristin

There's also the quote from Ben Franklin in which he doubts the divinity of Jesus. Yep, those Founding Fathers sure were religious freaks, all of 'em.

Zen

Thanks, Lisa. You said a bunch of things that I wish more people would take into account. And Washington wasn't that religious either. So I guess that makes it four out of four.

Girl Detective

Thanks for the quotes, Lisa. I didn't know that TJ felt the same way that I do about Paul. Most people also don't know that Paul probably never knew Jesus; they didn't live concurrently. A lot of people assume, incorrectly, that he was one of the 12 disciples.

enigmaticjack

Simply put, this was my read of the week (in spite of your confusion on the order of JMs, which as a Virginian I'm shocked to see! Mother of Presidents and all that bupkus...). Nicely assembled and I loved how you put these all together.

That said, I'm guessing that the point of actually assembling these quotes is lost on people who don't think the historical record counts for anything.

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